Talk:United Kingdom

The 2022 RFC on how to describe the UK & its components, in the lead

In the lead I've just restored country for the UK description & left no description for England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland, aside from that they comprised the UK. Was there another RFC held since, with a different outcome? Because since then, someone had replaced country with island country (I've since restored the status quo). Also, somebody added countries to describe England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland (I've since deleted to the status quo) in the lead. IMHO, adding that description for England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland, only creates confusion, when we've already decided to call the UK a country. I'm just wondering, is the aforementioned RFC been overturned, concerning the lead of this page? GoodDay (talk) 23:20, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

England, Scotland and Wales are separate countries within the UK and should be listed as such. It seems misleading to exclude this from the lead. Wrehhn (talk) 10:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I disagree. We have E/S/W/NI described as such in their own articles & that suffices. Using the descriptions here, would only be cumbersome & add confusion. GoodDay (talk) 14:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Contacting Template:Ping, who closed the 2022 RFC-in-question. GoodDay (talk) 23:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Wasn't the RfC about the choice between "sovereign country" and just "country"? I don't have a problem with the revert as it's unclear if there is WP:CONSENSUS for the pre-revert wording but I'm unsure that the RfC is relevant. DeCausa (talk) 23:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Island country wasn't an option in the RFC & country was the choice, for the UK's description. GoodDay (talk) 23:54, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Not seeing how saying Island five times in the lead helps anyone. Moxy-File:Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 00:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. I haven't checked the contribs history, to see who added in island country. GoodDay (talk) 00:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

The RfC technically settled only the question of whether the UK should be called a country or a sovereign country, but I think the discussion implied a consensus on whether England, etc. are countries. The background of that RfC was that someone had written the "sovereign country" in order to distinguish the status of the UK from that of England, etc., which were nonsovereign countries. The consensus was that "sovereign country" is redundant, which implies that nonsovereign country is contradictory, i.e. those entities simply aren't countries today. So that bears on GoodDay's second change.

I'm not aware that this issue has been discussed since.

But the RfC doesn't address the issue of whether "island country" is even better than "country". Bryan Henderson (giraffedata) (talk) 23:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

The supposition that if the United Kingdom is a plain "country" then England (et al) cannot be is not correct, as the article on what a country is explains. A country can consist of other countries. That's not a reason to avoid careful and clear wording when describing such a situation. Bazza (talk) 23:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Last year, "...comprises England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland" was adopted, after country was chosen to describe the United Kingdom. I presume, this was to avoid arguments. GoodDay (talk) 03:20, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 December 2023

Template:Edit extended-protected Change "The Proms is a classical music festival held at the Royal Albert Hall which regularly plays music by Edward Elgar and Henry Wood." to "The Proms is a classical music festival, most closely associated with Henry Wood and held at the Royal Albert Hall, which regularly plays music by Edward Elgar and other British composers". (Henry Wood was a conductor, not a composer.) Cjholula (talk) 20:20, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Template:Done WaggersTALK 14:25, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 December 2023

UK 2021 ethnicity White: 81.7% Asian: 9.3% Black: 4.2% Mixed: 2.9% Other: 2.1%

}} 2A00:23C5:EF47:2701:1140:F799:657D:9E94 (talk) 12:53, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

What's the source for this? Cordless Larry (talk) 09:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Flag proportions

I think that the flag proportions are incorrect on the Wikipedia page.

The flag proportions are currently 1:2 however those are specifically the proportions on sea and most people will be viewing Wikipedia on land where the proportions are 3:5. I suggest changing the flag in the infobox to the 3:5 land flag or better yet putting both in the infobox and specifying which one is for land and which one is for sea.

Sources: [1]https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/union-flag-approved-designs, [2]https://www.flaginstitute.org/wp/uk-flags/union-flag-specification/ and [3]https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmbills/065/08065.i-i.html (this one is only a bill and only specifies the land proportions)

TL;DR: Add the land version of the flag to the infobox.

Arcchie (talk) 15:25, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Fix map

The UK has three territories in the Mediterranean: Gibraltar, Akrotiri and Dhekelia in Cyprus, and the Sovereign Base Areas on Cyprus, that aren't shown in the "overseas territories and economic exclusive zones" map. Hsn.frrr (talk) 17:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

(Infobox map) This is likely because Gibraltar and the SBAs lack EEZs. I am not sure they would show up at the relevant scale, although curiously the entire island of Cyprus has never been present on that map. CMD (talk) 02:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 January 2024

Template:Edit extended-protected Replace the Brexit protest image under 21st century with this image of Queen Elizabeth II's Funeral and Procession, considering it's the UK's biggest moment in the 21st century (so far) and likely will be for a number of decades. 2A00:23C7:69B1:501:F920:6B33:668A:8436 (talk) 11:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 13:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Anyone who agrees can reply back here. 2A00:23C7:69B1:501:F920:6B33:668A:8436 (talk) 15:19, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Article is about the whole UK, not just England and Wales

Template:U, regarding this edit, can I remind you about Talk:United Kingdom/Archive 37#The UK isn't just England and Wales? Cordless Larry (talk) 20:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

21st century image

Can we replace the Brexit protest image under 21st century with this image of Queen Elizabeth II's Funeral and Procession, considering it's the UK's biggest moment in the 21st century (so far) and likely will be for a number of decades. Open to hear your views. 2A00:23C7:69B1:501:F920:6B33:668A:8436 (talk) 23:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

No. The influence of Brexit on the country is far wider than the smooth and practised transition from one monarch to the next. Bazza (talk) 10:07, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 January 2024

Template:Edit extended-protected Something that has changed about the anthem it used to be "God Save the King", but now it's "God Save the Queen". 50.86.215.230 (talk) 19:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Not done - The anthem is still "God Save the King". GoodDay (talk) 21:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)